We always test and train on any format that we are going to use in a club shoot. We are planning to use a CFDA Bracket type shoot for our final event of the year. See the previous post. The question to be determined is whether the CFDA scoring program and system will work with the point systems we are using. That system determines place by x count and speed and therefore there is an inherent speed bias involved. This is the exact method used in the seeding in the Arizona Bracket Shoot. It is not unusual for a shooter to be placed below another shooter he has beaten head to head because of the speed bias.
The Test: Today to test how it would work, we shot a one bracket CFDA bracket shoot placing all shooters in the Master Gunfighter bracket, 3x last man standing format. The consensus of the four board members that were there was the CFDA system would work provided we were aware of what a "recognized place" is. Under the CFDA rules if an elimination with more than one shooter affects a recognized place there must be a shoot off.
In the bracket shoots itself there will be no recognized places. We are not giving any thing out for the placement in the bracket. However, the placement may affect the top three for points.
Today, the current leader of the Master Gunfighter bracket was eliminated in the 8th round with one other shooter. He is tied for the lead of the bracket and just a few points ahead of third. Whether he gets third place or fourth place points may make the difference between whether he finishes 1st, 2nd or 3rd in his bracket. Therefore, under CFDA rules it is a recognized place and there should be a shoot off for place. These shoot offs will be quite rare and probably will be shot off on lane 5 & 6 at the same time as the finals are decided.
I think the folks figuring this out will be able to make these decisions while the shoots are occurring. The only time that I would think that it would be difficult to determine would be if someone would come to win for a long way out, say 5-10 points or more back. Possible but not likely.
What is likely is a tie in Master Gunfighter . If top three are tied, which is likely, if they go out early together, multiple shooter shoot-offs may be required, but that should be obvious if it happens.
The CFDA scoring will work! To make it clearer we might just decide that for the top five places in each bracket there will be a shoot off if more than one goes out in the same round. This does not take any more range time because lanes are available. That does not solve the problem of a competitive shooter going out early. We will just have to be aware of that possibility.
The way this is written it will confuse everyone that does not follow your logic well. I say this because I know what you are trying to accomplish. Your statement didn't give a clear indication you are actually determining placement for two different objectives and you may or may not be able to determine this as the match progresses. The two objectives are first today's match and second points standings for annual awards. First, today's match is shot to last man standing until everyone reaches the determined X count. The only shoot off would be if more than one reaches that maximum X count in the same round for one of those "money" places. Second goal is determining an "annual" champion. In this case someone's day points that goes out early in the daily match could tie them with someone who goes out later in the match and this may tie them for a "money" spot in the annual points. This situation may or may not be determined prior to the end of the daily match which could be shot off during the continuance of the daily match. I submit, however, that shooting a money spot shoot off at the same time as the daily match is running detracts from the experience of the shooters. This may be just me, but if you are shooting for the prestige of TOP GUN of one of the most experienced clubs wouldn't you rather be center stage than a foot note to a monthly match?
ReplyDeleteThere is no "money place" in the last event. Trust me there will be great interest in the points and all would will know exactly where they stand. Big difference this year,there will be 10 times as many that have a chance, probably 20 to 30 shooters.
ReplyDeleteI have may be more interested than most having won many times head to head but lost to the speed bias. Under CFDA rules that should not happen but some do not follow the rules.
As to shooting off at the same time I can assure that neither the final match nor the shoot off for 3rd and 4th was a distraction when Lil James, a youth, hit five in a row to place third in the National Championship Deputy bracket.
ReplyDeleteThis whole final event is about points and placement for points.