Friday, October 2, 2020

The Association of Arizona Gunslingers Club Point System

I write this post to explain to the membership how the new club point system works and to let other clubs know of the system if they might find it beneficial.

The Problem: Under the old system only the same 2 or 3 shooters were competitive in each of the gender divisions. Year after year less than 10% of the membership had a reasonable chance of winning an award.  We had tried to solve this with most improved awards but that did not function very well.

This was the result of points being awarded by gender even though we never shoot gender divisions.  We shoot exclusively the Arizona Bracket Shoot at our club practice events wherein men, women, and youth all compete in the same event.  How well you do in the point standings many times was determined not by how well you shot but by who you drew.  Luck of the draw really played a major factor in your placings.

The old system was not as performance driven as the new system.

The Solution:  Under the new system we maintain a master spreadsheet of all shooters recording their fastest CFDA Bracket Report time for the year. We will have about 100 shooters on this list. For club points we only use club members (currently about 60) and divide the members into the four CFDA brackets, Master Gunfighter, Gunfighter, Sheriff and Deputy.  Club members are competing for awards, top three, against those other members in their bracket. The last shoot of the year, December, will be a CFDA bracket shoot so that in that event those who are competitive will have a chance to directly affect their standings.  It will be a big point event, probably a more than 20 point event.

Even though we only have four events so far this year it is apparent that over 40% of the membership will be competitive for awards and have a chance to be in the top three of their bracket come December.

The brackets are fluid, you can move up or down between the brackets based on your performance and the performance of the other shooters.

This is not a classification system.  Your bracket is determined by your performance at actual events.  

Club Points:  We recognize that the "main match" is nothing more than a seeding tournament and that points ought to be awarded based on your performance and not luck of the draw.  In the Arizona Bracket Shoot, competitors are seeded into brackets and the competition starts at that point.  Most events have three bracket but some have six such as Winter Range or other Jackpot shoots.  Points are awarded in inverse order and in the number of competitors in a bracket.  The larger the shoot the more points you can get. For illustration, January was a 20 point event, Winter Range 18 points (6 brackets), August 8 points, September 15 points.  You can probably count on having 20 point events through the end of the year.  In the State Championship, the 2nd chance shoot will count and those making the Magnificent 7 will get top bracket points plus 1 point and 1 point for each other club member they place above.

Sandbagging:    You really can not game this system.  Because your bracket is set by your fastest time for the year you can only move up to a faster bracket by your shooting, not down to a slower bracket.  The only way you  move down is if someone else moves above you and pushes you down into a slower bracket. Sandbagging will not be a problem.

Intentional sandbagging would be a Conduct Violation for "bending the rules to create an unfair advantage over fellow competitor," but we do not foresee that will be a problem with our membership, none of them will give you a millisecond.

For those that think you could do it on an event level consider this September event.  A shooter upon getting his first X mused that he should lose another to get into bracket B (he did not lose again). What that would gotten him was the opportunity to shoot against the hottest shooter at the event, the quickest shooter in the club.  You really don't know who is going be in bracket A, B, or C.  B or C might be tougher brackets.

Current Status:

The system seems to be working fairly well so far after only four events. It appears we will at least 24 to 30 shooters competing for awards come December.  The system is very performance driven.  Brackets do not appear to be that important. For illustration, the shooter with the top points in each bracket would be competitive for the top award even if they moved up to a faster bracket.  For example, top shooter in Deputy would be in third in Sheriff, top shooter in Sheriff would be 2nd if in Gunfighter. This is a result of the system being so performance driven.  You need to shoot well every event, or at least in 6 event, it being a best six event system.  

When we adopted this system we thought we would have 6 events by April. Making it a best six event system would have made the numerous snowbird members viable.

Another interesting factor is that this system gives shooters a chance to recover from tough luck of the draw or a slow start.  At the last event, the quickest shooter in the club, was able to recover from early losses to win 6 or 7 in a row to get 2nd place points. At the end of the event he was the hottest shooter there but not tough enough to get 1st place points.  The top gun Sheriff and  top gun Gunfighter both got 1st place points.  "A" bracket could only muster 2nd place points. (But on a personal note, the Master Gunfighter bracket is in a tie between the 10th and 11th quickest shooters in the club, performance counts.)

 

8 comments:

  1. Well, Hitch, as usual understanding what you are doing is harder than doing it. Must be your training. I see matches shooting 3 brackets(usually but sometimes more), scoring 4 brackets, most clubs shooting 12 or more matches a year, but reference to 6 matches for points. References to state championship and jackpot matches included.
    Easy one first, top six finishes for record. Got that one. Next, club standings at the end of the year for the Gunslingers, but dreams of including all AZ clubs at some point. That one is pretty easy. Now, what matches are included? All matches held within the borders of AZ that shoot the AZ bracket and the match director submits the results? All matches held within the border no matter the format including CFDA class A and B?
    Now the one I always have the most trouble understanding in print and, I believe, causes the most controversy--awarding points. Let's say you have one of those days when the slower folks ain't missing and the fast folks ain't hitting. OK, never mind where I was going with that I reread and think I get it, mostly, but still have a question. The final match of the year will be a true CFDA 4 bracket match? The brackets for that match will be set by the shooters' second fastest time over all matches of the season? The outcome of this final match may or may not be included in points total based on finish in this match? Since one set of points is based on AZ bracket and one set of points is based on CFDA brackets there could actually be multiple champions. This year is a bit off if the future holds the hoped for AZ state champion. That was just my musing, now back to the question at hand. The CFDA bracket for assigning top gun points is fluid. A shooter may only shoot in one CFDA bracket match the entire season, the final one. Unless that final match is exempt from setting the bracket, the shooter could shoot in a bracket that he does not finish the year in meaning that final match to assure having a bearing on one's bracket finish would not. A shooter never really knows where he stands in the points race until it is over because any match could put him into another bracket unless he is solidly in the top of the master gunfighter bracket. Respectfully submitted, different views are what make barristers necessary.

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  2. Easy to answer: 1. Originally I tried to include Tombstone because that was a AZ Bracket shoot and most of our members go to that but there was resistance to that. Only club shoots now count which would have included the AZ State, if we had one.
    2. Brackets will be finally set on December 1, 2020, before the final shoot of the year. It is remarkable how little movement there is. Looking over the brackets there may be 3 or so that may move before the end of the year, maybe one per bracket, but I don't foresee more than that.
    3. The point of the CFDA bracket shoot is to allow MG to shoot against MG, G against G and so on. Shooters will be competing directly against the other shooters in their brackets. Points will count. For most of our shoots shooters are competing against those in their "seeded brackets" which may or may not include the same level of competitor. With a 20+ point shoot, probably most members will be within range of an award.

    You have not mentioned this but what will be most troubling for many shooters is the resurrection feature. It is hard for people to accept a bunch of seeding round losses and still being able to get 1st place points. But in practice it works quite well. Our quickest shooter lost early this month but then went on a terror in the shoot offs. He deserved every point he got. People have a hard time understanding the speed bias in CFDA scoring and the luck of the draw bias. This system is much more performance based. The resurrection feature levels out the speed bias and the luck of the draw bias.

    4. Only one point system. The Bracket report times will reset for next year. If someone wants to shoot poorly to get in a slower bracket, fine all they will accomplish is putting themselves in a hole for points. It won't happen. Our members won't sandbag.

    5. Everyone will know right where they stand December 1. The brackets will be set. Every shooter will know exactly how many points they need for 1st, 2nd or 3rd in each bracket. It is going to be a brawl. If some one does not show up, a 20+ swing will be possible.

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  3. I understood most of the scoring once I thought it through a bit. I do understand the AZ bracket and how it works and what it proves. That's fine with me. With the clarification that the final match-CFDA bracket-will not affect bracket placement, by Jove, I think I've got it. Still a bit more I would like to know on the final match. Will it consist of only the 4 CFDA bracket shoot based on speed over the course of the year? And will it be a (?)X, random draw, last man standing?

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  4. Final match probably will be 3x, maybe 4x. Definitely will be last man standing. I have to think about about standings within the brackets. Probably go with standard CFDA method but that has the speed bias in it which is not fair. We will runs some test. What if the top three shooters all go out in the same round. Does not seem fair to me to let the speed bias control. Unlikely but possible. Might have to have shoot off for place if it matters for final standing for top three places. What do think? What will work? Definitely CFDA draw.

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  5. Final match probably will be 3x, maybe 4x. Definitely will be last man standing. I have to think about about standings within the brackets. Probably go with standard CFDA method but that has the speed bias in it which is not fair. We will runs some test. What if the top three shooters all go out in the same round. Does not seem fair to me to let the speed bias control. Unlikely but possible. Might have to have shoot off for place if it matters for final standing for top three places. What do think? What will work? Definitely CFDA draw.

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  6. We will run a one bracket test tomorrow with all places determined by shoot off. Need to see if it is doable. How much time is needed? We test all formats before we use them.

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  7. Thinking out loud. Maybe just follow CFDA rule. No shoot off unless it affects a recognized place, that would be 1st, 2nd or 3rd of point standings in a bracket. Might be hard to know.

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  8. Thinking out loud again. Final match December 26. Awards January 23. If we just run CfDA scoring, we can evualate results and determine if any elimination rounds affected recognized places and have shoot off as necessary at awards on 23th. Will test today
    I will have point standings for all shooters today. Will give new shooters average points for test.

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